Comments on: Stagger Lee`s Essay on Blackness

By: staggerlee

staggerlee — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

well, yeah, doesn`t everybody? it`s just from having been to korea that i haven`t seen a korean man with an american woman… feel free to comment on that.

By: Afro-martian

Afro-martian — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

I agree with Natasha on the men thing. But I still love my brothers and although I`ve dated both in an out of my race, I still have hope for a Black man with REAL brains and intellect and KNOWS what to do with them. As with all races we too have our pesudo-intellectuals.

By: staggerlee

staggerlee — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

you know… that`s a phenomenon that i haven`t seen much of, american women with korean men. do the korean nationals give you two much of a problem?

By: Natasha

Natasha — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

Wow, I really like your essay. I`d always thought that I was the whitest black girl out there. I have a friend who is the blackest white girl I know. Let`s just say that I am just so past the racial thing and waiting for the rest of the world to catch up. I grew up on military bases around the world and currently live in South Korea. I`m not specifically looking for a black man. Who wants to be with someone who`s pimp-stepping and wearing too much Sean John? Those are the mean I steer clear of. In fact, most black men I know are ghetto and not worthy of a second thought. I`d eventually like to get to know someone with some brains. You want to turn me on? Have some brains and be able to carry an intelligent conversation; you skin color doesn`t matter. Right now I am dating a South Korean medical student.

By: staggerlee

staggerlee — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

i still can`t believe this many people have commented on this article… thanks to everyone that liked it, and piss off to those that didn`t.

By: roberte

roberte — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

Girl, i loved ur article. preach sista preach. I`m a black man who is also accused sometime of being white. I agreed with just about everything u said in ur essay. i would love to hear ur thoughts on other things. please do me a favor and email me at redman1222@yahoo.com

By: staggerlee

staggerlee — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

yeah, i`m still lurking in a darker shade of pale. i want to hear more about jada`s band but i don`t think i`ll make it to ozz fest (the army thing and all). taelor–thanks for the good comments… i didn`t realize when i wrote this that THIS MANY PEOPLE would read it. i`m pretty impressed.

By: Afro-martian

Afro-martian — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

Hey Stagger, Read this article in its entirty this time, again, it`s inspired. Dropped the link into a few cyber-ghettos, just to stir the pot a bit. >:-) Hope you`re still in A Darker Shade of Pale.

By: Taelor

Taelor — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

oh and all yall need to lay off tha Haterade cuz if she wants to be lez she can be lez if it makes her happy its her life not urs and we aint livin in the Bible this is real life so get used to it babes .oh and i meant child in my first comment not chold

By: Taelor

Taelor — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

right on wit ur article babe,it was awesome. im a white gurl datin a black guy and boy have i lost a friend or two over it. i mean my parents aint really cool with it and all but i really dont dare wat they think cuz im out tha house as soon as i graduate and that aint long. but we all the same on the inside, just flesh ,blood ,and bones. and really i want my chold to be by a black man because every friend i have that is interracial is very pretty and is an excellet student and athelte. so yea u i wanna learn so more bout this so somebody holler at me at lil_tipzy_babi@yahoo.com ok!

By: staggerlee

staggerlee — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

then buy adam and steve a wedding present already.

By: james

james — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

I dare one of yall to curse at me

By: james

james — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

stop all this fucking cursing because god dont like that shit. Let the gay people do what they want because they going to hell for that not you. So don`t worry about it!!!!!

By: Stanka

Stanka — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

We was in school today, hot as I don`t know what. Then this gril was stinking so bad and had the nerve to sit by me. I was mad as a bitch!

By: Tay Tay

Tay Tay — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

WHAT THE FUCK!!?! You go to be a nasty motha fucka to wanna fuck someone who is like you. Come on ladies why would yoiu want anotha females tongue in yo click. Come on niggas why would you want a dick up yo ass!!! i know this on female name Brandice who likes this kinda shit and licks out different females every night thats nasty.

By: Chykn

Chykn — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

Gay is not positive at all. Gay gurls are just nasty… GAy is not the answer If you are gay you need JESUS CHRIST IN YOUR LIFE Especially gay BLACK MEN thats just nasty All you must remember GOD MADE ADAM AND EVE NOT ADAM AND STEVE GOD ALSO MADE ADAM AND EVE NOT AMBER AND EVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! aint no thang but a chicken wang dont drop the soap dont hate the player hate the game I`m O-U-T Out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By: Chykn

Chykn — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

By: supremegoddessofall

supremegoddessofall — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

she`s from W-S, but doesn`t live there right now

By: Nie-nie

Nie-nie — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

What part of n.c r u from an oh yeah that was deep. i feel you but i think i`m gon stay strait and black and try to put up wit my blackmen

By: gyurl

gyurl — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

All i have to say is racism is not the answer!! If a gurl is gay let her be and go ahead about your own business!! Don`t mess with shit that doesn`t concern you!!

By: staggerlee

staggerlee — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

plus, i still have the capacity to GET ghetto on someone. but by no means am i hood. am i an ideal black person because i can still relate to my hood rat friends and be a professional at the same time? that doesn`t make me ideal, that makes me a chameleon. and in the long run, if you can`t do that, you can`t get up in the world.

By: staggerlee

staggerlee — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

a few thoughts: thank you for understanding the idea i was trying to convey. however, i wouldn`t call myself the IDEAL black person. i still do some “ghetto” shit sometimes (there`s a reason for the quotes). ie: yes, i have an above avg. stereo system in my truck. yes, i drive though post listening to snoop`s “drop it like it`s hot” loud as hell. yes, if i have the amp and sub on, my girlfriend can hear my stereo from her house when i first turn into the neighborhood. but it`s not like i`m hiding any of this from the repo man, and my truck is paid for. hell, i don`t fit in at work just cuz i don`t have dubs on my truck.

By: a few thoughts

a few thoughts — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

Stagger Lee: I don`t think there`s a such think as being the ” Whitest Black Person”. When people accept others saying they are being or acting White as a compliment, they are putting down their own Black race. You should tell them you are an IDEAL BLACK PERSON. The madia pushes so many negative images of Black people to the forefront, that Whites as well as Blacks, perceive that their general behavior. People should understand that evry race has their good and bad, but I do feel that the media, doesn`t display an equal balance of good when it comes to black people.

By: a few thoughts

a few thoughts — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

I know there will be some responses to my following comments, but these responses are based on facts, not opinions like many opposers have. The reason why so many Black women are fed up with seeing a Black man with a White woman is because there is actualy a shortage of Good Black Men. There is an extremely uneven amount of college educated women to college educated men. Based on the statistics calculated by all HBCU`S COMBINED, the ratio of women to men is 6:1. Black women are passing their male counterparts. Based on many surveys conducted 81 % of Black men who responded said they were dating interracially becuase they couldn`t find a Black woman who was on their level (education and income). THIS IS A STUPID STATEMENT. But, maybe my view is biased, seeing as though I am from P.G. COUNTY, MD. and most of the females I know are classy, sophisticated, educated, and generally nice people. In addition, white girls are OVERTLY freakier than Black girls. If you go to any club in the area

By: esha

esha — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

naw i was just playin

By: esha

esha — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

naw i was just playin

By: Esha

Esha — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

dont get slapped i might be 4″2 but i can beat yo ass

By: john

john — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

its crazy

By: staggerlee

staggerlee — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

naw… we as black people can`t get rid of our gay men… if we did, who would sing the sizzling solos at church? who would design the choir robes? who would do the choir`s hair? BTW: if any of you have the Newsweek with Barack Obama on the cover, read the article about Bill Cosby… much of the same thing… good article.

By: musicfreak60060

musicfreak60060 — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

My girlfriend also said I was the whitest black person she had ever met, and probably the “gothiest” black person as well. It`s all in good fun, so I understand what you mean. Reading that essay was like reading my own thoughts the past few years.

By: supremegoddessofall

supremegoddessofall — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

my baby`s so articulate.

By: Afro-martian

Afro-martian — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

I didn`t read the entire article mostly skimmed; but I know the message (read and heard it many a time before!) Thank you Stagger, for writing it, I`ll come back and read the rest. Please check out this yahoo group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/adarkershadeofpale/, for non conformists of color. You`re welcome to join. While I`m not a lesbian, the articulation and natural hair applies. You`re not only in a unique situation, not only because of the interracial relationship with a non-black person, but also the black community also rails against gay marriage and truly wants to keep our gay men (especially) and lesbians in the closet.

By: staggerlee

staggerlee — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

oh no, i don`t feel that many black folk are upset with my relationship, because some of us think that we didn`t even let any homosexual folks on the ships of the middle passage. i have my idenity, and i`m proud of who i am. and tory–i don`t so much roll jeeps as much as i roll a POS hummer. (i think somehow the article gave off the idea that i`m NOT black?)

By: Mercedes

Mercedes — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

this was a cool essay i like it a lot that was nice

By: Lincoln U. Queen

Lincoln U. Queen — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

I understand that you feel that many of the African-American women seem to be upset with your relationship. It is not a feeling of hatred, or jealousy. You must understand the psychological impact the past 35 years has had on our society. I am currently attending an HBCU(Historically Black College/University), and to see one of our Lincoln Men dating a white woman would be unheard of because of the past history of racism in this country. We do not completely accept it because of the problems it has caused in the past. Our mindstate is that of warning when we address any of our young black men who decided to date black women. To understand why people of African-American descent use terms like “ghetto”, “son”, “dawg”, or “fresh”, you have to grow up as an African-American individual. We have strived for so long to have our own identity, and self-worth that people will have the feeling that when someone outside our race approaches our men, they are stealing from our culture. In a

By: supremegoddessofall

supremegoddessofall — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

(especially the kind that strippers stick on their tits - go pasties!)

By: supremegoddessofall

supremegoddessofall — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

power to the pasties!

By: supremegoddessofall

supremegoddessofall — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

or you can be like me and just be pasty all the time.

By: stagger lee

stagger lee — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

it seems like the underlying message says that if you (as a non-white) want to get ahead in life, you need to figure out a way to do just that AND not look back. you can look back, if you`re bringing up your people with you. but then if you fail, then you should have known better to begin with. it`s okay to be LIKE “the man”, as long as you don`t BECOME “the man.” if being black was truly acceptable, then every other commerical on BET wouldn`t be for perms, so that we can straighten our hair to look like white folks. if it were totally ok to be white, every ad in Cosmo wouldn`t be for self-tanning solution, so white people can be darker.

By: stagger lee

stagger lee — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

i know. that`s exactly my point. but we all know people that would argue otherwise. i`ve also met people who said i was wrong because if i was going to be gay, couldn`t i at least date a black woman? then again, i`ve also met people that have said that at least now i can bring down both races. this is more of a media backlash; in most tv shows, if there is an interracial couple, it`s going to be a black man and a white girl (in most cases). it`s much like the darker you are in an action/horror flick, the less time you have to live. on commericals, you won`t hardly see a black man with facial hair or dreads unless it`s for a product targeted to black people.

By: F.A.Y.

F.A.Y. — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

Both are wrong. Racism is when someone outside of an ethnic group demans or debases the cultural values of that ethnic group. So for anyone to say that the culture of black people is liquor stores, ghetto life, ignorance, pimps & hoes, etc. is completely wrong because the majority of black people do not live that way. To celebrate that kind of stupidity is racism, and there are black people who do that to themselves. It`s under the same note of saying all white people are rednecks who have the rebel yell as their horn (ala Dukes of Hazzard), are fat, ignorant, and keep Fleetwood in business. Dead all that garbage.

By: staggerlee

staggerlee — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

no, of course no one asked why the couples were together. it`s a lot easier just to make crap up. hotghettomess.com triggered it because, well, i know a lot of people like the ones in hot ghetto mess. i work with them every day, and it`s like they`re proud of being ignorant. but we as a people are the first to say that others are making a mockery of our race and culture. so which is right and which is wrong?

By: F.A.Y.

F.A.Y. — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

I`ve dated all across the rainbow, so I guess i`m an expert on this. I don`t look at it as “ooh, i`m dating a ——- girl” because if I did, then i`d be more concerned with status than the girl. I dated the women I dated because of a combination of reasons, the least of which was the color of their skin. Besides, how many ugly interracial babies have you seen? They are few and far between. And usually the women who are complaining about there being too few “good black men” are not the “good black women” the men are looking for. And what are the traits of a “good black man”? Someone with a job, all his teeth, good credit? Someone with only one child living with his mother? What women tend to forget is that the guys who turn out to be “good black men” are usually the same guys that they wouldn`t go out with in high school (aka nerds), and the men they did want became the losers of life.

By: F.A.Y.

F.A.Y. — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

In your convos about interracial dating, did anyone think to ask the couple in general as to why they are dating?

By: KahluaDiva

KahluaDiva — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

I`m sure you`re not the whitest black girl out there, but I`m also sure it doesn`t matter. What I`m not sure about is how “hotghettomess.com ” triggered these thoughts. That, I think, is an interesting question. Thannks for your voice.

By: supremegoddessofall

supremegoddessofall — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

I love my non-ghetto baby! Seriously, dear, good article. Glad you were productive while I was in Cali.

By: staggerlee

staggerlee — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

t–i borrowed this essay to post on my blog… lemme know if there`s some weird copyright thing saying that because i wrote it originally on your site, it`s your intellectual property and i will delete it posthaste!

By: Tory

Tory — Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000

Your words, your rights. Go get your post on.